1st beta test… quad euclidean thingy

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  • #8197
    Dave Dove
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    #8244
    Dave Dove
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    #8250
    Dave Dove
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    this one uses 4 euclidean seqs
    independentish
    i have them feeding one scale scanner atm
    i could set them independent ranges – which would mean independent scale scanners
    or i might just have switchable single note outputs for drum stuff
    was going to be a lockstitch rewrite

    dave

    • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by Dave Dove.
    #8259
    Dave Dove
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    v0.31
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ju2yr0g95472f6w/Multi_Euclid%20v0.31.amxd?dl=0

    housekeeping

    fixed:
    timing was 1 step behind – not the usual reason :/
    root selection not working = use UI keyboard to set root
    button to use MIDI note to select root
    added:
    display each sequencer on keyboard
    next up:
    add duration seq?
    +
    lockstitch type tools for sequencer interaction and drum/trigger sequencing

    may use a switchable UI for use as a trigger sequencer
    or
    second device?

    dave

    • This reply was modified 4 weeks, 1 day ago by Dave Dove.
    #8277
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster
    #8282
    philippe
    Participant

    I like it

    >root selection not working = use UI keyboard to set root
    >button to use MIDI note to select root
    What’s the use of the dot at the extreme top left BTW ?

    > add duration seq?
    yes

    >+lockstitch type tools for sequencer interaction and drum/trigger sequencing
    >may use a switchable UI for use as a trigger sequencer
    >or
    >second device?
    might add value, but already quite crowdy

    • This reply was modified 4 weeks ago by philippe.
    #8285
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster

    began as a Lockstitch update
    yes is quite crowdy – i have a few UI ideas for that

    the dot is top right – unless you see another one…
    and has not been connected to the right object
    and so doesn’t function at all :/
    it switches to MIDI note in for root selection…

    #8286
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster

    alpha v0.4
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/tctz2rzmwn2nb06/Multi_Euclid%20v0.4.amxd?dl=0
    lots of tidying up
    added duration seq – duration = up to 1*step length including clock divider/multipliers
    still not initialising correctly
    euclidean display working properly now
    thinking about individual ranges next
    now that internal timings are ok

    dave

    #8299
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster

    Re-thinking euclidean display

    i don’t like concentric circles
    can’t follow what is happening at all
    so
    image has 2 sizes of display – i prefer the smaller one
    multislider below for steps, hits etc.
    4 of these…
    + Clock display from Adlais/Iosif
    this cleans up the UI loads
    i’m thinking about different ways to access the Scale Scan block
    for use with instruments or drum racks etc
    which will be next…

    so this looks like a very extended Lockstitch update

    dave

    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 6 days ago by Dave Dove.
    #8301
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster

    beta 0.5
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/07749rehl3ffkmm/Multi_Euclid%20v0.5.amxd?dl=0

    some code tidying to do then
    accessing the scale scanner then
    UI
    dave

    #8302
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster

    beta 0.51
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/rfbmprekuoaqqlk/Multi_Euclid%20v0.51.amxd?dl=0
    i’ve added 4 combiners which combine the sequences output by the euclidean modules in interesting ways
    they don’t look great but are functional and follow on from Lockstitch
    they may also be too many options

    i am on holiday at the moment
    so getting on with it…

    dave

    #8303
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster

    i am thinking about a lot of the possibilities for this…
    while is quite nice and interesting
    is also not necessarily inspiring…

    so:
    euclidean modules generate a sequence of 0s and 1s
    a limitation of this is that they are evenly spaced – more or less
    i have been looking at ways to combine them which are more interesting:
    following each other, lacing them etc.
    but that may mean the clocks are no longer relevant
    as the clock will count through the sequence generated after combination
    so the graphics – as they are – become less important = a side show

    i’m going to play with these ideas
    as i don’t like the results with the previous ‘combiners’
    see where it takes me
    so back to alpha
    any thoughts/ideas?
    now is a good time to throw them in the ring

    dave

    #8304
    Dave Dove
    Keymaster

    testy

    this is a group of 16 step trigger sequences
    they are generated from 2*8 step euclidean trigger sequences
    one with 4 hits the other with 3 – no rotation

    8-pair

    the calculations are simple
    row 5 is a reverse of 4 – so really there are only 7 variants
    as reverse can be offered for all

    most of these patterns are not typical ‘euclidean’
    as they are not so evenly distributed

    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 4 days ago by Dave Dove.
    • This reply was modified 3 weeks, 4 days ago by Dave Dove.
    #8316
    braduro
    Participant

    Might be fun for each timer to have a co-efficent of the main tempo, such that you can create phase differences between them.
    As for independent scale scanners, couldn’t that be done with parallel instances of them in the same Group device?
    I do like the idea of it however, both the independent ranges and the independent scale selection idea, but again, that could be done with multiple instances. I’m far more impressed with using the built-in tools, when it comes to performance stability and leanness. And I’ve notice on the microtonic forums for example, that people wish there was a single-pad version of it (such that you could plant it in a drum rack, or minimize the number of pads and bulk necessary)
    But I like the potential of poly-modalism of bela bartok and the phase music of steve reich in the same device…
    That root selector is not working
    And the entire set crashed-a single midi track-when plugged into a push and I attempted to create a new scene by capturing the performance of the output on the multi-euclid.
    Also, on the scale readout, I don’t see the different color pads as being particularly easy to follow. Maybe if it was vertical orientation, such that it matched up with a midi-note/piano roll design. And the colors would make sense if they corresponded to the color choices on a push, for example, because the clip readout is able to retain the separate color of each pad. Otherwise, I’m not retaining any information in my Neanderthal brain from all the colors bouncing around…(particularly because I don’t see color labels for the separate seqs, and the playhead doesn’t match the color on the scale view.)
    Finally, the iOS Fugue Machine tends to be easier to follow, and can implement that phase idea I mentioned prior.

    What if it was laid out a bit like a trolly car or steam locomotive on tracks. Put the wheels on the bottom so we get a sense of movement. Put the directional instructions to the front (right) of the trolly, not in the middle. Put the meters up top. Have the scale notes spit out the back on the left of the device, stacked vertically, equivalent to you recording a midi-clip and monitoring the output spitting out…So visually you get a transference of wheels moving, and ground rolling by. Maybe put the clock (or multi-clock) in the middle as a polarity (like in the fugue machine) such that you get a sense of the motor/pistons that translate into the wheels. (If you’re overly ambitious, let the pistons change in length so it looks like a wobbly jelly car as it rolls) somewhat like these animations:

    https://jackschaedler.github.io/circles-sines-signals/dft_introduction.html

    #8317
    braduro
    Participant
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